Just Say No to PUMA, Yes to Hillary & Barack!

by atdleft, Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:29:32 PM EST

(Proudly cross-posted at Clintonistas for Obama and Democratic PartyBuilder)

OK, OK, so I've been "HOUNDing" on this for a while now. Even though Hillary Clinton herself has been calling on all Democrats to unite in support for Barack Obama, we've seen these few "PUMAs" troll around the internets. They're dishonoring Hillary, trashing barack, and doing the right wing's work in mocking Democrats.

So what can we now do to get out the real progressive message that Hillary wants us to listen to? Follow me after the flip to find out...

So what can we do? Well, all of us blogging here is a start! We're getting out the real message of Democrats working together for victory. We're fighting the smears, and we're unspinning the right-wing spin.

We're making a good start, but we can still do more. We can congregate and band together to strategize. We can spread the word about the reality of John McBush. We can tell the real truth about Barack Obama and why Hillary endorsed him.

But above all else, we can show some compassion to our pro-Hillary friends who are still hurting from the primaries. I really think PA Gov. Ed Rendell hit just the right note last week, and I think we'd be wise to follow his lead. Listen to our pro-Hillary friends, share with them your repressed frustration from the primaries... Just let it all out finally! And then, talk with them about why Hillary supports Barack and why we must elect a Democratic President and Democratic Congress to ensure the vision that Barack and Hillary both share becomes reality.

Oh yes, and let's not forget to contribute! Obama needs all the help we can give him now to ensure he has the resources necessary for victory. Oh, and don't forget to give to Hillary and to the party as well!

And finally, let's all stand together to fight the far right and take our country back! :-)




Tags: Barack Obama, Democratic Party, Democrats, Election 2008, Hillary Clinton, Hillary supporters, John McCain, Party Unity, Presidential Election, progressive values, progressives, PUMA, Republicans, dirty tricks (all tags)

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Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (2.00 / 14)

Let 'er rip! :-)


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:30:04 PM EST

Re: Tips? Flames? Suggestions? (none / 0)

PUMA will only be as great as you allow it to be _ by giving them a platform. all though in all fairness to the diarist _ FOX is not only giving them a national platform but might as well add it to their promo spots.

but then again its Neil cuvato ( however u spell his name) who watches his program anyways ...


Rise / Repeat / But for god's sake don't spin!
by aliveandkickin on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 10:03:38 PM EST
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Right on! (2.00 / 8)

I'm so sick of PUMA, I could puke.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:43:34 PM EST

Thanks, sricki! (2.00 / 6)

I am as well...

http://www.democrats.org/page/group/Hill aryClintonDemocratsforBarackObama

Which is why I've started our own "rebel movement"! ;-)


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:47:24 PM EST
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Awaiting your approval, atd. n/t (2.00 / 7)


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 09:51:36 PM EST
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Re: Thanks, sricki! (2.00 / 1)

That website is blocked in China, so I can't register just yet.  Will do so ASAP.


Linfar's co-blogger opposing John McCain
by psychodrew on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 01:43:51 AM EST
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Sure...highly agreed...Diary rec'ed... (2.00 / 6)

I understand the extensive negative roll of the PUMA and possible Republican troll infiltration. And we need to either win them over or steer clear.
But do you think Anybody But Clinton (ABC) or We hate Clinton (WHC) crowd are doing the same thing? There seems to be a crowd who intentionally would go on insulting the Clintons or progressive organizations like NOW or Emily's List just to incite divisiveness amongst the Democrats. I'm beginning to think that these are Republican trolls too.

I say ABC meets PUMA..they are the two sides of the same coin.


by louisprandtl on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 10:10:14 PM EST

Oh yes, I totally agree! (2.00 / 7)

"ABC" and "PUMA" ARE two sides of the same coin. "ABC" uses ugly right-wing smears against Hillary, and "PUMA" uses ugly right-wing smears against Barack. I wouldn't be surprised if the same Rethuglican operatives were behind both groups.


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 10:37:50 PM EST
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No credit, atdleft. You were a regular ... (1.00 / 1)

... in our community for months, and now you "wouldn't be surprised if the same Rethuglican operatives were behind both groups".

If anyone here was playing the mole, it weren't today's PUMAs.


¡Si, soy PUMA!
by RonK Seattle on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 12:13:28 AM EST
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A turncoat complaining (none / 0)

because someone didn't join him in his treasonous aid and comfort to John McCain.


by Geekesque on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:30:16 AM EST
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Re: Sure...highly agreed...Diary rec'ed... (2.00 / 2)

yup

Same folks


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:23:56 PM EST
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Harriet Christian (2.00 / 1)

is she married?  I don't want my vision of an bitter cat lady to to be a false label.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:43:38 PM EST

Harriet... (2.00 / 0)

Is that you? (/snark)

OK, I know you're really not Harriet. But still, I'm not so sure that this kind of mocking really helps our cause of Democratic Unity. Just watch out, and don't give the "PUMAs" material that they'll then use against us as they trash us as "bullies".


Help Clintonistas for Obama help Democrats win! :-)
by atdleft on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:54:05 PM EST

Re: Harriet... (none / 0)

How many "PUMAs" do you think there are?  How many do you expect to get to vote for Obama?  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:08:36 AM EST
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Re: Just Say No to PUMA, (2.00 / 1)

I think that by casting PUMA into the role of The Enemy you're giving them too much attention and far too much importance.

MyDD would be a much nice place if everyone just ignore the PUMAs. What do you expect to do about them anyway, except provide free publicity?

Put your energy into undermining McCain where it might do some good. The PUMAs aren't going to change. Just let it go.


by SuGeAtARC on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 01:35:07 AM EST

Re: Just Say NO NO NO to PUMA, (2.00 / 0)

Absolutely. These folks here mostly left Taylor Marsh and other sites when they began to apply disinfectant. They are mostly repub women for HRC who never intended to vote for Obama. They are bigots and don't deserve engaging. These voters are best off going over to McCain's sites and leaving us alone.
Or back to NQ river daughter, bitter politicz, wherever ...

thread hijak


by Mae Scott on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 09:08:06 AM EST
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Re: Just Say No to PUMA, (none / 0)

Exactly right.  The diarist seems to view the PUMA's as rational actors.  They aren't.  They won't respond to rational arguments and it isn't worth the time or effort to try and convince them to support Obama.  


Consider that everything which happens, happens justly, and if thou observest carefully, thou wilt find it to be so. -Marcus Aurelius
by Blue Neponset on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:06:51 AM EST
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Re: Just Say No to PUMA, (none / 0)

Having spent some time reading their blogs I'm a still puzzled as to who the are  clearly

1) Many are republicans trying to capture Hillary voters. Some are blatent-- steering people to Fox & Rush,for example (what nowc "feminazis for Rush?")

2) Some are deeply and somewhat weirdly infatuated with Hillary.

3) Some are openly racist

4) Some actually bought the Hil campaign's funny math and disenfranchisement arguments and think the nomination.

5) Some care only about getting a woman president (yet hate women who oppose Hil)

However None of them seem to hold or at least care about progressive values.  They just never mention the war, habeas, civil liberties, torture etc.

So I don't think they are a big loss to the party. They may have been democrats by habit but they've  found  they fit better with the republicans


John McCain: Cheney with a temper
by wrb on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:24:20 AM EST
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Re: Just Say Yes to PUMA (1.00 / 2)

So, Obama changes his positions on FISA, public financing and moves to the center.  It seems to me that his primary campaign was a FRAUD.  And he claimed to be about new politics.  The hypocrisy, to me, is far beyond any politician I have ever known.

Now, in the meeting with Clinton fundraisers last Thursday he was unable to confirm that there would be a roll call vote at the convention.  That's outrageous!

I cannot in good conscience vote for someone so disingenuous and at the head of a bizarrely authoritarian campaign.

PUMA!! PUMA!! PUMA!! PUMA!! PUMA!! PUMA!!

P.S.  I have voted for one republican in over twenty years of voting...it was some county-level position years ago.  I am not a republican...but, like millions of other Americans, I do have a cat! : )


by FireLight on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:28:12 AM EST

Re: Just Say Yes to PUMA (2.00 / 0)

1 cat?


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:50:23 AM EST
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Re: Just Say Yes to PUMA (2.00 / 0)

If you had bothered to look at Obama's voting record in the US and Illinois Senates, you would have seen that Obama has always been a centrist and made his reputation by compromising with Republicans.
When you voted for Bill Clinton, and he ran to the center in the GE, did you get upset and vote for the Republican?

by skohayes on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 07:06:00 AM EST
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Re: Just Say Yes to PUMA (none / 0)

I don't think this deserves a 0 by any means. Disagreement does not mean 0.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 05:56:08 AM EST
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Re: Just Say Yes to Puma! (1.00 / 2)

Millions of cats. By the way I am not buying the unity thing! The Democratic Party is broken. I refuse to support the farcical Democratic Party. We will overcome the and repair the broken Democratic Party from with.....the millions of us!
PUMA '08
JustSayNoDeal!
by navyvet48 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 02:55:14 AM EST

Re: Just Say Yes to Puma! (none / 0)

I don't think it's right to be zeroed for stating the almost obvious.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 05:57:57 AM EST
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YES to PUMA, Yes to Hillary (1.00 / 4)

as a side note: fresh poll from Florida: McCain +7:
http://rasmussenreports.com/public_conte nt/politics/election_20082/2008_presiden tial_election/florida/election_2008_flor ida_presidential_election
Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:06:36 AM EST

Re: YES to PUMA, Yes to Hillary (none / 0)

Hey Dummy?

There are 3 other polls that have Obama ahead.


by Lance Bryce on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 08:04:42 PM EST
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Yay holding-on sweeties! (none / 0)

Love you, Engels!

;D


by spunkmeyer on Wed Jul 02, 2008 at 02:32:50 AM EST
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Re: Just Say No to PUMA, (2.00 / 1)

As always an enthusiastic and spot on diary.


by linfar on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 10:56:05 AM EST

Re: Just Say No to PUMA (none / 0)

Don't sweat it. You have to let them come to in on their own. Some will. some won't. There will always people who will vote personality over the Democratic agenda. To me, very short-sighted but still their choice. Again, they need to come to it on their own...


by NY Writer on Tue Jul 01, 2008 at 11:43:03 AM EST

Re: Just Say No to PUMA (none / 0)

I like you, and I admire your optimism. But I'm personally not as convinced as you are that Obama represents my values. I know it's late for me to post here, but I just wanted to give you a sense of where I am as a not-PUMA but very skeptical Hillary supporter...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Sun Jul 06, 2008 at 06:03:14 AM EST

Re: Just Say No to PUMA, Yes to Hillary & (none / 0)

In the spirit of democracy and equality - I would like to understand why no Democratic Party Leaders condemned the sexism and biased treatment that so affected Sen.Clinton's campaign. If the situation had been reversed - and Sen. Obama was discriminated against in the media during the primaries...if the media joked about instances of people holding signs at Obama's rallies that said  "SHINE MY SHOES" instead of signs at Clinton's rallies saying "IRON MY SHIRT".....if the democratic party leaders remained silent during this discrimination.....if the leaders tried to prematurely push the first African-American candidate out of the race when he was only slightly behind.. would anyone be surprised if groups formed left and right to talk about an issue bigger than party affiliation -- equality?


by Democracy101 on Sun Jul 13, 2008 at 07:56:58 PM EST


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